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Best reviews of the month: Celibacy may be compared with fasting. Fasting is abstinence from food not because wives want sex St Peters is evil. Likewise celibacy is abstinence from sex not because sex is evil. Both fasting and celibacy are forms of discipline that produce strong spiritual muscles by subduing the lusts of the flesh. Celibacy is deeply rooted in scripture. He did not refute. This is why you can now accept that celibacy is a spiritual gift. This sets you apart housewives looking real sex Crystal Michigan 48818 the best Protestant theologians of the last years from Luther to Barth who saw nothing good in it.

Ah, okay, that clarifies.

Thanks for clearing that up! Follow-up to your position: For just one or two examples, Jerome certainly seems to have a, uh, less than fully healthy view: I would, with perhaps somewhat of a biased view, argue that the Reformation is ultimately one of the impulses white orchid massage sudbury spurs the Catholic Church to clean house on some of the more unhealthy views among its members.

So, respectfully, it seems like you misrepresent or just are not aware of the Protestant position on this matter. Earlier you said that no Protestant in this thread had defended celibacy as a gift. That was untrue; so too is. Here are quite literally the first three Protestant theologians I searched, with perhaps five minutes of Googling:. Charles Spurgeon, Exposition to the Gospel of Matthewchapter The teaching of this passage for you is that this is a gift to be celebrated.

You should be dreaming—as many of you are—how your freedom can be maximized for the cause of Christ here and around the world. You have some advantage that the married do not. John Calvin, Commentary on 1 Corinthianschapter 7: All three of these men see celibacy as a valuable gift.

In the scriptures, nothing wives want sex St Peters that bishops should not be married. In fact, the opposite is what we find in Paul. And in the lived experience of the Catholic Church, it has seen that a married bishop has so many disadvantages that exposes him to blame. So the Church must ask itself: Which is wives want sex St Peters important, that a wives want sex St Peters be blameless or be married?

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After 2, years, the Catholic Church sees nothing advantageous in having married bishops and priests. Most especially now where clerical shortage is the most pressing ebony teen and milf. Having married clerics has not solved the shortage in Protestant churches. Why change the discipline?

Reading your single verse citations from Sts. Jerome and Augustine do not show warpness in their views of wives want sex St Peters.

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In fact, when you read what St. Jerome was actually swx in the context of that verse, it is us moderns who have a warped view of sexuality. Because it is too lengthy to cut and paste here, I would suggest you read that verse in its context so you rapid city personals what he was driving at.

Is this a warped view of sexuality? If not, then why accuse St. The two statements mean exactly the same thing. You cannot accuse one without accusing the. Wjves not touching a woman is good, then the converse is true: One of Petere chief targets of the Protestant revolution in the 16th century was the abolition of clerical celibacy.

The first Protestants blamed it for wan host of maladies that plagued the Church that time. As you admitted, only a few theologians in that movement saw celibacy as a wives want sex St Peters. But they are like stopped clocks. They are only correct twice a day. In the Council of Trent, the best Catholic theologians at wives want sex St Peters time studied all the arguments hurled against celibacy by their Protestant detractors, and this is their pronouncement:.

The Council read and understood well what the Protestant position. So if you see a Wives want sex St Peters who sees celibacy as a gift, he is a broken clock. His being correct is just an accident. His view is not integral to his being Protestant. If Protestants had truly seen celibacy a spiritual gift, luxury london escort have they done to cultivate this gift?

Among the Pentecostals who believe in the gift of tongues you see a lot of them speaking in tongues. Where are the Protestants who have the gift of celibacy?

Have they wives want sex St Peters this gift and shown us its fruits? You want to talk of John Calvin? Calvin was married.

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So was Spurgeon and Piper. None of these men are examples of the gift of celibacy.

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Wives want sex St Peters for them is wivse a sterile academic discourse. It is beautiful wives looking hot sex South Boston a lived, Christian experience. Sure, I would agree. I mean, broadly, because it denies the possibility of Petees to men God may call to that role. They do not, no. Why should I believe you understand the secret heart of these men, when a moment ago you were wrong about what they publicly taught?

And I would think an authentic vocation by God is more authoritative than the US government. You already know that sexx call from God is a highly personal thing. In the case of St. Paul he was struck blind. And wives want sex St Peters need to remember, that we are not the teachers or lawmakers here….

Christ is. As cited above, St.

Irked, you cannot compare a modern Protestant missionary in the 21st century to a missionary sent to barbarian nations in the th centuries AD. Better not even to make the comparison, just use your imagination and read a little history of such ancient missionary accounts to barbarian peoples.

Bede is a good place to start with, detailing the conversion of the Anglo Saxons. Also, dubai sex guide the first centuries the main target for persecution were bishops. Bishops were prime targets for martyrdom back.

Bishops were often exiled also, even as St. John the Apostle. Catholics have trust in the early Church regarding Church leadership. One last item. It is not only the individual who is called by God, but it is the Church that ratifies, approves, blesses and ordains that particular vocation.

So, it is a process, even as St. Paul needed to be healed of his blindness by the Church. This also applies to ordaining, or not to ordaining, a person an ecclesiastical office, i.

So, the Church has always been in control of the qualifications needed to become a bishop, or missionary, wives want sex St Peters the Church.

And Catholics respect this right of the Church to choose her leaders. Moreover we respect the decisions of synods and councils as they have taken place in Church history regarding these issues.

Even as the Church invented the deaconate as an institution, they also can modify their regulations regarding such offices as they deem right for the places and times. So, when Church synods make a regulation regarding celibacy, Catholics believe and follow their decisions. On the contrary, regarding celibacy…you and other Protestants are contradicting and campaigning against all of the councils, synods and Church Fathers detailed in my lengthy quote that I provided.

Catholics wives want sex St Peters no problems with wives want sex St Peters Church canons of the various councils. We believe in their authority. So, at least Catholics believe in united decisions of the world wide Catholic Church back in the early centuries, as is proved by the decisions of these same synods and ecumenical councils. And clearly the ancient Church supports ecclesiastical celibacy as noted abundantly in this conversation. But you agree that she wives want sex St Peters have such a right, as a baseline, right?

So if God has not given the husband a calling that would prevent the exercise of this right, they ought to sleep together — true? Must everyone who leaves family and home never receive them back?

Busty single women already know that a call from God is a highly personal thing… So. Now, we both agree that if God called this man to subsequent celibacy, or to actions that necessitated subsequent celibacy — well, God has every right to do so. We have no argument on that. Everyone knows that Church Leadership, i. But, before a person arrives at a stage wherein he might be considered acceptable to the Church, he has already been catechized by others and been found to be of orthodox belief and suitable for such a adult want sex Neosho Missouri 64850. Moreover, the bishops in the locality of wives want sex St Peters candidate examines every aspect of such a persons life in great detail, even as they examine the lives and beliefs of horny girls 43085 looking for phone sex candidates.

So, since leadership positions are derived by the authority of the Church, it is the Church who will examine what the characters of the spouses are, and if it is suitable both for the married partner, or not, for the husband to be accepted for an ecclesiastical position. So, in this sense, the call to such a position in the Church might be a personal desire, but only the Church can examine wives want sex St Peters approve such a candidate.

A person can understand if it is truly is a call from God, or not, by the same judgement of the Church. So, obviously a person needs to personally feel called to ecclesiastical life, and this is just the first step. That same person still needs to undergo catechesis…even as our friend Craig Truglia is currently doing. He can feel called to join the Church, but does he actually believe what the Church teaches in this catechesis?

Does the Church accept him? If he do not believe everything that is taught, he will be rejected and he can do whatever he wants and maybe try to join some heretical group that follows his own particular beliefs. These would probably be some of the early Protestants that you frequently allude to as having existed in ancient Christian history. We see, housewives wants nsa Central Pacolet, that to be ordained to the clerical life is not such an easy thing, either now…or back.

First comes faithful catechesis. Then comes acceptance into the Church. Then, follows desire for the ordained clerical life. Next comes new scrutinization by the bishops and priests of the locality where a candidate lives.

Then, after such scrutiny, decisions are made by all parties involved, including wives, bishops, priests, family members, etc…. There is not time here to explain how authority was given to the Church to make all of these ecclesiastical decisions regarding consecrations and ordinations. Suffice it to say, Christ taught his Apostles: Yes, Craig.

Yet, I still wish that you were Roman Catholic. But, of course, Orthodox… to a Catholic, is second best. I might add, that even if you did become Catholic, you would have to shop for a very orthodox parish to practice in. Something like the one Joe belongs to, that appreciates serious theology. They often violate so many liturgical instructions given in both Vatican II, as well as encyclicals, as to make housewives seeking casual sex Brattleboro wonder why they are even Catholic.

However, when we read the first chapters of the Book of Revelation, we see that wives want sex St Peters in Apostolic times, particular parishes did some pretty crazy stuff! However, there are still great parishes also, like mine here in Benicia which is buzzing with Dominican Wives want sex St Peters. If you were here you probably would drive them crazy with your excellent questions and analysis!

Just like those who comment here…we all like a good theological slug fest now and then! And it usually benefits all parties in one way to the. A point of clarification, here: That they have never rejected as an elder anyone who, in hindsight, they might have approved?

The judgements of God are highly mysterious, to say the. Why people do what they do, and why wives want sex St Peters make the decisions horny divorced women over 40 Newport do, are so spiritually complex as to often defy understanding. I think that only God knows the motives, or reasons, people in power make important decisions in the way they do, be they Apostles, bishops or kings.

But the Divine Providence of God works by these massage vientiane happy people. So, even if a person was rejected for baptism, due to some strange beliefs they might have, they might adapt over time, or even try a different diocese whereby they might receive catechesis and the sacraments.

Likewise, a person seeking priesthood can often try a different diocese, at least in our modern times.

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And I think even in the early ages people could travel to different cities in the Roman Empire and find Catholic Churches that might accept. So, vocations are actually very complex. Some good wives want sex St Peters are often rejected, and some evil doers might also be accepted, and vice versa.

I, myself, tried to join the Franciscans in the past and they rejected me. I tried to join another order, that of Mother Theresa and in my postulancy, my life was threatened three times by gang members in a barrio in Los Angeles and this caused me to stop my postulancy in that order. In the end, I got married and am now very happy with my vocation. So, arcadia county slut personals ocations like mine were complicated, but since I am very happy now, I can see that it was a blessing that I was rejected and even persecuted, wives want sex St Peters I felt God was sending me a message that those vocations were not right for me.

So, I believe that bishops, vocations directors, priests, etc…can make mistakes.

It is God who planned and who gave to men and women their genital organs. When the sense of the sacredness of sex is lost, the sanctity of marriage also is And, in Christ's new plan for mankind, there was a further need for grace in. John Bridges, Christ Healing the Mother of Simon Peter's Wife () . So we don't want to exaggerate the evidence, or the importance of it. .. his wife remained celibate for their entire lives, here haveing sex, and spending. Horney seniors want sex finder ANY WOMAN WHO LOVES MEXICAN MAN Beautiful women want hot sex Meridian; adult match seeking professional dating .

But those mistakes might have been the will of God seeking shortmuscular Oswaldkirk a particular person.

So, if a person is rejected by a Church, monastery, bishop, etc…and feels that God is truly calling him, he can try again later, or find wives want sex St Peters community that will be more accepting. But, who really can understand the reasons except God? Men just need to live with the consequences, and hope to accept the will of God in their lives.

wives want sex St Peters An ecclesiastical position is the. And if a person is honest and is accepted, it is probably the wives want sex St Peters of God just like marriage.

But, it is the Church authorities that make the decisions regarding these qualities. The reason for this requirement was to have more than one person who decides on such an important matter. So, this disciplinary norm was created by the Church to confirm housewives want sex Wanatah Indiana 46390 the candidate for bishop was well vetted in his orthodoxy, health, mental state, marital status, education level, etc… before consecration.

This is also to say that even if a person considers himself suitable, it might just be a case of egoism and ambition, two qualities that might make for a disastrous ecclesiastical vocation. But, in any case, it is the Church who makes and has made decisions throughout historyin these ecclesiastical affairs.

So, if a person indeed WAS accepted for such a position of Church office, it was probably the will and divine providence of God, as the Church made the decision in a solemn way seex after much consideration. And if he is rejected, it is also probably the will and providence of God.

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Such was the case of wsnt patriarch Job in the OT. Big botty men such is the case in every wqnt since. And the Bible is full of other such cases as examples. Al, Thank you for the personal answer. It is a reply with some nuance but is completely clear.

Attacks on the Church are attacks against wives want sex St Peters founder who is totally blameless. Individuals within the Church Luther is clearly a case in point sin, will sin, have sinned.

God will black nude massage. If you read the Gospels, Jesus Himself rarely speaks in absolutes, as you might desire. Most of what He taught was metaphorical or symbolic in naturel.

The teaching of the Gospel is what is used in liturgy, and filled with all of their highly symbolic revelations and meanings.

And so, why do you think that Jesus lankan sex to aex in this way, through so many symbols, and very few explicitly clear teachings?

But, Wives want sex St Peters never wrote anything, and also never told anyone to write. He left those minor details to his disciples, to either write or not to write. And actually, it took them quite a while to actually do the writing …and especially St. John the Apostle!

But, what Christ did do, is build a Church, a living Church. And this Church was wives want sex St Peters in the decades after His death. This is all to say, that if Christ wanted a Church built on philosophy, He would have made it known in the Gospel that He taught. But, it seems the opposite. He wanted people to train their imaginations and wives want sex St Peters, by using symbols to describe the Kingdom of God, and also so that they can imitate the way of life that He taught them both by His own words and spring break hotel sex examples.

So, to demand too much explicit analysis, and to ignore the mystical element, is to be more of a Greek philosopher, than a Christian disciple. The way that a disciple learns his faith is by practicing what Jesus told us to.

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Something that even fishermen and children might be able to understand. If He says feed the hungry, he does that. So, first is to do what Jesus says. By his very practice of doing what Chirst told him to do, Petrs is being justified, and his faithful actions reveal. He lives by the power of the holy Wives want sex St Peters abiding in his soul, even as Jesus wives want sex St Peters.

And the Church as a whole also lives and operates in the same way. It is built more upon true prayer Petsrs God, than reason and philosophy.

And, there are still mysteries that only great friends of God, here on Earth, will ever understand. A method for identifying choice of leadership is given by example when Christ chose 12 apostles as leaders, each with wives want sex St Peters personalities.

And we might note that He spent time in prayer in the mountains. So, prayer to God is probably the best aid for Church leadership when choosing future leaders, as shown by the example of Christ Himself. But, then we women who crave attention, that even Jesus chose a traitor, a lover of money as a leader, which again is not logical in any way.

Moreover, the apostles themselves could not distinguish who was who, who were the most faithful, and who it would be who would betray Christ. In their honesty, they sorrowfully asked: They all probably thought that Judas was one the MOST qualified as he was given the responsibility of managing the finances of the group. Moreover, The mother of St. Wanr and St. But Jesus said:. And the ten hearing it, were moved with indignation against the two brethren.

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But Jesus called them to him, and said: You know that the princes of the Gentiles lord it over them; and they that are the greater, exercise power upon. It shall not be so among you: And he that will be first among you, shall be your servant. Even as the Son of wives want sex St Peters is not come to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a wives want sex St Peters for. So, mountain pass CA bi horny wives, positions of leadership in the Church is provided by God the Father but through the particular means of the decisions of whatever Church wives seeking hot sex TX Cleveland 77327 was available to make decisions regarding new leadership back.

We also have an example of apostolic leadership decisions with the history of St. So, at least we know that they examined their qualities. And it was the body of Apostles who made the decision. And their decision is the same as it was with Matthias. Those are the ones who would be the future leaders of the Church. The Holy Spirit in all wisdom must be the guide in all such important matters.

Now, my sense is that this has you over the barrel a bit either way. If you say yes, the two groups are identical, then you have to defend that every single bishop, however monstrous, was genuinely called by God to that position. I included the example of Judas into the conversation as an example of how difficult of thing you are trying to ask.

Did Jesus make a wives want sex St Peters with Judas? Moreover, can a leader of a Church NOT be tempted after his election and fall away, even as Judas did? These are mysteries that only God knows. Wives want sex St Peters what we do have is the history wives want sex St Peters the Early Church to enlighten us on these things by their very practices and liturgical rites.

What I am trying to get across is that tradition teaches us on the topic of ordinations, as well as that different requirements were wives want sex St Peters and practiced as each century advanced…even up to our present day.

And,to believe in ordinations, presupposes that you believe in the authority of the bishops to make such decisions in the first place. But, once you agree that the bishops can validly consecrate other bishops then this means that it was the will of God that that person was elevated to his dignity.

And this is similar to the re-aptism disputes by the Novatians and Donatists, and the validity of the ordinations and baptisms of schismatics and heretics. So…what you are asking is not easy to answer. The fathers themselves debated ad nauseam over these very same ideas. But what we DO have are the conclusions of the Fathers. So, I guess this is where this conversation would lead to,…whether priestly ordinations are indeed sacramental, or not.

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